M A in this case could be either "Mature Audiences" or "Magician Arts" or "Marcus Arelius" so the choice is yours. So now we join our MSMBC coverage of the Court procedings in progress.
Attorney General for MA: We alledge today that God as specified in the Bible has no jourisdiction of mankind today as respect to their morals and therefore has no means either to impose or carry out any penalties for said infractions of His Law.
Justice: I guess you'll have to spell out more precisely what you mean.
Attorney General: Well first of all we are talking about Jehovah God of the Bible whose Son is one Jesus the Nazarene who came to earth to redeem mankind and holds their Judgement in His hands.
Justice: (to God) Do you stipulate to the correctness of these assertions?
God: I am Jehovah God, creator of Heaven and Earth whose only Son was sent to earth to die on the cross for the redemption of all Mankind. Yes, that's Me.
Attorney General: We alledge as you know that there is a Jeffersonian "Wall of Separation" between the morals of man and any God who physically creates their bodies and minds.
God: By what authority do you assert there is no connection between the physical and the moral law?
Attorney General: St. Paul through his assertion that for instance he was not healed by God though he was apparently without sin and therefore by Jehovah's own Law, worthy of a healing yet he was denied one and told that Jehovah's grace was sufficient for him. We assert that we all live by God's "grace" and said "grace" refers to the Act of Creation of the physical world and the environment thereof and has no connection to any - -for the lack of a better term - - karmic virtue".
Justice (To God): I am informed in this afidavid here that you claim that no one gets sent to Hell for any Sin because all sins, past, present and future, are dealt with on the Cross but merely it's mans reluctance to accept this pardon that condemns him and not the actual Sin itself.
God: I didn't know you were going to make levity of this situation. My law is not something that can be abrigated or denied. My law is perfect and therefore must be respected. You can't flaunt my Laws.
Justice: Do you even know what "flaunt" means?
God: Yes, it is the making light of or mockery of a thing or making it as all one bad Joke. I know exactly what the word means and the AG is guilty of it.
Justice: I think the word you are actually looking for here is "Flout". Don't you agree?
God: No, the last time I checked "Flout" was an ancient Italian name for Flute, and the long term would be Flauto Picalo or something.
AG: I maintain that the Ten Commandments were if anything for the Jews only for a set period of time and Jesus Himself found them wanting in many areas and condemned vast segments for the Old Testament Torah on such grounds.
God: Again don't put me to mockery or levity out of such a serious matter as this.
Justice: Just to make sure. Would you define the word "levity" for us to make sure we are all on the same page?
God: Certainly. Levity means to push the bounds beyond their normal limits and try and get away with something you know in your hearts that you can't.
Attorney General: In fact does not Scripture say the Perfect Law of God is already written on every man's heart if he will but follow it?
God: Yes. Man has an immortal soul, which means he always has a moral choice to choose right or wrong.
Attorney General: Oh come, come now, you don't mean "always". Aren't you a little fast and loose with that word "always" just when your son said "You will always have the poor with you".
God: I fail to see your point here.
Attorney General: Well - - you seem to be implying that at no time does man ever get to take, as it were, any "vacation" from his moral choices but it always called upon to make them - the correct way.
God: That's right. One should never presume upon the blood of Jesus Christ or you crucify him afresh. Man's soul is immortal, which is why the state of Hell goes on forever?
Attorney General: Just as an aside, how can a man who was mortal like the rest of us and subject to death at sometime anyhow, by dying on a cross in the act of a Mortal - - can affect something immortal - - such as a man's Soul. This is what you appear to be saying.
Justice: Just to interject a side note. Do you believe a man in a state of Grace can die from unconfessed sin that hasn't yet been "put under the blood"?
God: No - -Jesus died for all Mankind's sins, past present AND future. This is not an issue.
Attorney General: But let me move back to my central idea. The Ten Commandments are and were meant for the nation of Israel only, isn't this correct?
God: No. I created the whole world. I loved the whole world that I sent my son to redeem it. I created the whole world and therefore I Loved it.
Attorney General: But the teaching of Marcion say that the Lord of this World or Satan is both creator and ruler of this physical world.
God: Marcion was the first apostle of Satan Himself.
Justice: Well at least you've studied up on your Polycarp.
Attorney General: Let me get back to this idea of the law written on our hearts. Does not scripture say that
God and Man are both in the "Same Image". For instance if I could produce a perfect enough photograph I could perfectly capture an image that would be identical as the human retina is concerned as physically looking at the living Man.
God: Just what are you trying to Infer?
Attorney General: I don't "infer", YOU "infer". I "imply". And I am Implying that God cannot condemn any moral decision Man makes because God created Man and God doesn't create imperfection and therefore the perfect law is Already written on Man's hearts and therefore Man is in no need of any redeemer but merely look to himself.
God: I gave the Torah to redeem mankind from its sin. You are flat wrong.
Attorney General: Well, St. Paul, a Marcionite, says that the Law cannot redeem man but he who endeavors to follow the Law to achieve such means will only be consigned to Death because the Law itself is Death.
God: I say again that Marcion is an apostle of Satan.
Justice: Where does predestination fall into this matter, if at all.
Attorney General: That's a very good question.
God: Well some are predestined to Believe and others are Predestined not to Believe, and that's the way it will be and nothing can alter that. Man cannot be saved of his own accord but only by My Grace.
Justice: It sounds like you are agreeing with the Attorney General that no act of Man can redeem him, at least in Your eyes. Since this is true, can it not be argued that you poseess no moral Sway over man since he can neither improve nor diminish himself by endeavoring to Please you, as you put it, "In his own efforts".
God: The seeds of original sin were planted in Mankind in the Garden and have been there ever since, and man must be redeemed from that Sin or else perish in the ever lasting flames of Hell.
Justice: What about a new born baby? Will he perish in these flames too? Or is there some sort of Age of Accountability?
God: People can do great evil and claim they have the best of intentions? Man needs the wisdom of God. The world will never be able to govern itself with the flawed intents of mankind even at its best.
Attorney General: So intentions to do good are of no account.
God: No, what I said was that every man has a choice and God sees the thoughts and intents of man.
Attorney General: So it IS a matter of "good intentions". Can a man be saved by saying "I'm just a man. I make mistakes. I had the best of intentions?
God: The moral mind does not grasp this but God sees the intentions of man even before a man himself realizes them. For instance God may see the man comitting great evil in his life but look on ahead of that evil in the future that the man himself doesn't know he'll become guilty of - - and on to see his Redemption. So even a mass murderer can find redemption is his heart is tword me. The fruits of his evil deeds are irrelivent to anything. My son put all Evil under the blood. No man is accountable for the Evil effects of his acts.
Attorney General: It sounds to me like you just flat out contradicted yourself. I mean- - what if I do some deed with certain Risks attatched to it, perhaps in a military comtext. And it works out well but others will come and say "Even though the ends were good- - you still should have not taken the risk.
God: I see how that could happen.
Attorney General: So you ARE back to talking about pure intentions only and not effects - -
God: Now you're twisting my words - - -
Justice slams down gavvel hard: I've Heard ENOUGH! I rule that You, Jehovah God have NO moral jouristiction over the moral Deeds of Mankind and that mankind neither Is, nor Has Been, or ever Will be subject to your Moral Decrees. I therefore that man is and out to be Morally Free and Independant from your Jourisdiction. I have so ruled. Court Dismissed.
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